Episode #9: Joseph Glover
Understanding Life’s Symphony: A Journey of Self-Exploration
Today, I am thrilled to introduce my guest, Joseph Glover. Together, we'll take you on a journey through the diverse experiences that have shaped Joey's remarkable life. From his eclectic musical path to his unexpected caregiving role and the joys and challenges of fatherhood, Joey's story is a tapestry of unique moments that have led him to a profound understanding of his sense of self.
As we navigate through Joey's life, we'll uncover the hidden gems and pivotal moments that have helped him unleash his true purpose. From the heavy music that became his retreat to the unexpected turns that led him to independence and fatherhood, Joey's story is a testament to the power of resilience, curiosity, and the capacity to embrace life's surprises.
Get ready to join the dots as we unveil Joey Glover's life story, and embrace the power of purpose and belonging.
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James Glover [00:00:09]:
Alrighty. Welcome to the excitable soul podcast. Here, we are interested in all things purpose. We want to know where and how people find Meaning and connection in their lives. In every episode, we're gonna be hearing the real life stories of how people have uncovered, understood, and unleashed their own unique Sense of purpose. Our hope is that we can all learn from the stories and the journeys of our guests so that we can better find the sense of purpose in our own lives. I'm host, James Glover, performance coach and purpose nerd. I'm incredibly excited to be exploring these stories with you.
James Glover [00:00:44]:
So let's get going. Shall we? Okay. So today, my guest is Joseph Glover, an incredibly special human being. He's lived a wildly varied life that has seen him front a heavy metal band, found a tech business in his early twenties, Build award winning computer hardware and marry a doctor, and he's not even 40 yet. He now lives in Snowdonia National Park has got 2 kids. He's business systems developer for a large civil engineering company, and really interestingly, has the words Full of sorrow tattooed on his lower back. So so I know where we should start to get this conversation going. Welcome, Joe, to the Excitable Soul podcast, and, yeah, talk us through the thinking behind the tattoo.
Joey Glover [00:01:36]:
Well, thanks for that, Jimbo. What do they call people that, like, clean up, Streets, you know they're just they're garbage men, but you call them, what is it, refuse operations. Technically, yeah. You've just absolutely Shined a turd of my life to make me to make me seem impressive. Take a visit in my early twenties. Married doctor, front man. Yeah. Right.
Joey Glover [00:02:07]:
I think
James Glover [00:02:07]:
I think, genuinely, the way we should, the phraseology that we should use here is that you can't polish turd, but you can roll it in glitter.
Joey Glover [00:02:15]:
Okay. Still gonna smell like shit, though. And I
James Glover [00:02:22]:
and I've gotta be honest. I I, I already wanna just kinda niggle you in the ribs because I haven't said anything there that isn't completely factual. Your ability to feel comfortable with it or not, that's that's totally different.
Joey Glover [00:02:34]:
It is true. I I do have full of sorrow Tattooed just above my ass crack, and, I do seem to recall when I when we when we went to get it done, and he was there, like, lining it up on my back. You know? Do you want this meal? I was like, yeah. A bit bit lower. A bit lower. I'm a bit close now. Are you sure? I was like, well, where are my jeans really low? So, yeah, bit lower. Yeah.
Joey Glover [00:02:57]:
I I often get bull of Soffered, when people see it. Like like I like you, I had it done in Exchange for a free pint in some Midlands pub in Nottinghamshire for that. Yeah. Full of sorrow.
James Glover [00:03:12]:
Yeah. So so there's but there's there's meaning behind the, the kind of the tattoo choice. Just, Yeah. Talk us too a little bit about the about the journey.
Joey Glover [00:03:25]:
I've kind of found that that You don't really know what you're going through until you come out the other side of it. And then when you come out the other side of it, you kind of cat you know, you can sort of call that a chapter, And then you give those chapters in your life, I don't know, a heading or a name or something that sort of represents that That window or that time period in your life. And I think when I had that that tattoo done, which I'm very proud of and don't at all regret
James Glover [00:03:51]:
Of course.
Joey Glover [00:03:52]:
Yeah. Yeah. And it still looks incredible. It's not that big blur on my ass now. And I get tramp stamp all the time. And, you know, prison isn't obviously a place I don't want to go, but it obviously should be a place that I never end up in, because I'll definitely be Full of sorrow. I was well, I mean, as you know, our musical upbringing was somewhat Eclectic with, you always playing was it 5 star Michael Jack so much Michael Jackson, just purely Michael Jackson, really. And then
James Glover [00:04:33]:
Un Shamedly, unashamedly,
Joey Glover [00:04:35]:
by the way, the I love Mark Jackson. Yeah. So a lot of Mark Jackson coming from you. And then when Richard was living with us, He came in with like, I'll try and pick him up a little bit with some heavier influences and some good heavy music, but Yeah.
James Glover [00:04:47]:
Because both of the genres. More than words, that riff, you know,
Joey Glover [00:04:49]:
and that's massive. Road danger danger and spending 3 hours in the bath trying to get his tight jeans to fit, so he can go out with a with a chain from his nose to his nipple because the eighties were a bad time for rock and roll. But he still played, know, music of a heavier persuasion. So and we all shared a room. So, you know, we heard all these these different musics, and then our parents, Your dad there with this Ralph McTell and, Eric Clapton and, like, Tom Waits, the the music that dad seemed to listen to always seemed to have, like, a lyrical influence. Right? Like, there there was there was meaning behind the writing.
James Glover [00:05:28]:
Yeah. It's like a poetry, almost.
Joey Glover [00:05:30]:
In short, and so I always sort of liked that. And then with, you know, with Michael Jackson, it's all about how he moves and how, what rhythm can do to you and and this idea of, expression, through movement Was that he's and then the heavier stuff just seemed to be this fantastic way to Let it all out. It's just like it was cathartic. It was it was almost like this weird I I kind of always thought about it like the the more you get into heavy and, the heavy music, it's like falling down a Down a hole, and there is no bottom to it. You just keep falling, and the the further you fall, the heavier the music gets and the more you love it. And, I guess that was it for me. You know? I I my muse my own musical taste was that I had no musical taste. I just kind of Like, that was me, and then he hit puberty, and he go like, right.
Joey Glover [00:06:38]:
So what what is what does music mean to me? And it still meant nothing. I was just, you know, still just, You know, MC, the DJ, like, whatever you had on the in the old car, just just anything that'll make you move was what we listened to. That's what music was. And then it And then it wasn't. In puberty kicks in, and it messes with your head, and, and you start to go to these darker places. And I started to find that Listening to heavier music was a retreat from it all. And and that and it was a slippery slope. You know? It was it was Limp Bizkit.
Joey Glover [00:07:13]:
New metal had just exploded, and it it's not very cool now. Guess it wasn't cool then either, but I thought it was amazing. Are you kidding me? It was the coolest. It was the coolest, yeah. And, I think Limp Bizkit brought out my generation, and I thought he said my Ginger Generation. I was like, yes. Representation. That's what it is.
Joey Glover [00:07:33]:
And I was talking to the biggest biggest Limp Bizkit fan, and I was like, oh, he's definitely Ginger under that red hat. That's why it's red. You know, and, Limb Bizkit leads you to Korn, and and Korn just delivered something that was that just knocked off my feet. It was something that I never Never heard before in music where by you had you know, metal, certainly when you're of that age, has this, impression of being macho and and strong and violent and and demonic perhaps or or dark, and it's it's a bit scary. And the reality is it isn't all, Metalheads are just the nicest people, and and they we all share that this heavy music is a way in which they express themselves. And, and And Cole was was my sort of awakening to all of that, this group of guys where the front man was this Somewhat effeminate, very thin, gaunt, addled rock star that had this Influenced heavily by The The Cure and bands of the eighties, and he would do this pixies thing where the music would be quiet and then loud. And his lyrics were all about his relationships and and how he saw the world and His relationship with his parents or friends or where he sees himself in society. And and so you sit there, and you start listening to lyrics, and he would never Publish the lyrics in this in the CD sleeves and whatnot, so you'd just be trying to work them out yourself.
Joey Glover [00:09:08]:
And I loved it. Just I just loved it. But that, and they all downtuned and played 7 strings. And Fieldy played this 5 string bass, and he slapped it around. And, you know, back in the late nineties, he just had these Awesome dreadlocks and would just bang his head harder than anybody else in live music. And he just this this freak out stage where He was the only guy there, and I I just thought that's incredible.
James Glover [00:09:31]:
And you know what? The the layers to this as well are are massively important. And so I guess there's a few things just to help connect the dots for our for our for our listeners. First is, and I should have really covered this in the introduction. Joe is my brother. You've, you've met our, our sister, Rebecca, and, we're keeping it in the family we've got some stories to share. So, Joe is, Joe's Joe's been been agreed to come on and, and subject himself to some of my questioning here for everybody. I think the, the the kind of the layers here, though, Joe was you know, you talk about being influenced by all the people that are around you, but that felt a turning point for me in that Your level of influence over me went through the roof. Like, I'd never listened to music like that.
James Glover [00:10:22]:
I'd never even begun to believe that There was anything in that type of music for me. And then all of a sudden, I found myself Deeply connected to the bands and the music that that you were listening to. It was everything in terms of your identity was shifting, those massive G star big trousers, and you even, like, braided your hair, got got Rebecca to braid your hair. And I remember going, oh my. That is the coolest thing I've ever seen, and look at him, like, pulling that off. Like, it doesn't look ridiculous. It looks amazing, and, Like, he's fully embracing it. I wanna do that, and then realized I couldn't pull that off.
James Glover [00:11:04]:
Like, I got Rebecca to braid my hair too, and I took it out 3 minutes later, because I
Joey Glover [00:11:08]:
was like, what? What? What am I doing? Do I have the looks, the skin, you know, the the all the all these brilliant attributes? Then be like, yeah. I'm gonna be gonna be as what are the we're calling nothing. We're calling grabs, don't we? I'll be a grab. I'm gonna open it.
James Glover [00:11:22]:
Those off. Yeah. It so there's something about, Like, this this turning point moment for you where you were discovering, you were discovering yourself, and you were discovering what enabled you to Connect with yourself. But it wasn't just about you. It was also about the way you were connecting with the world around you as well because, You know, I I know firsthand the influence that then you had you had on me and, actually, the offshoots of things that are are really significant. So Incubus are a band I found because of you, but they weren't they were so quickly dismissed in your heaviness journey because they never they never descended past the level. But for me, That was my level. That was good.
James Glover [00:12:02]:
Right the way through to us going to, to gigs and festivals Yeah.
Joey Glover [00:12:07]:
Pretty good.
James Glover [00:12:08]:
For some of this. Hey. And do do you do you remember going to that Korn gig in London? Yeah. And I was
Joey Glover [00:12:14]:
I was in America, wasn't it? I was in California working, Doing the doing the whole Camp America thing, and, we had this time. I mean, it was this is all kind of really early Internet days, you know, no social media. And I had this really old, tough book laptop that I'd taken with me and allowed all the staff to use as a way of checking their emails and connecting with loved ones and whatnot. And, It must have just been like a a corn emailing list or something. I'd seen that they'd announced a UK tour, and I was 6,000 miles away hoping that I might catch These bands are idolized in Southern California, and they were in the bloody England. And so so I, like, I remember texting a moment. I'm gonna email you going, I've just bought 6 tickets to see Con in London, and I'm gonna fly home 2 weeks early so we could go see it. And I you a ticket because you can drive.
Joey Glover [00:13:04]:
Exactly.
James Glover [00:13:05]:
That was it. I'm
Joey Glover [00:13:06]:
like, you can drive me. About it. Me, Kevin. Yeah. Yeah. That was just such an incredible experience. Just the it was the, they released this album called the touchables, And it was, 1st album out after after issues. It was the 1st album they'd released since I had become a fan.
Joey Glover [00:13:24]:
Yeah. So I I just loved everything, and I had and That album famously leaked. I downloaded it. And and and the full circle is, I guess, full of sorrow is a is a lyric from a song, Which at the time I thought would have been called full of sorrow because the downloaded bloody file was full of sorrow.
James Glover [00:13:42]:
Yep.
Joey Glover [00:13:42]:
It actually wasn't called for it's called bottom up insides. When When the album came out, I was like, bastard. No. I'll have to I'll have to say it's about something else. It's something But it was amazing song. Yeah. We went we went to the we went to the o two, didn't we? And, and, and saw them. And I I distinctly remember Me and you pushed our way, like, deep into the thick of it before whilst we're waiting for the start up, and I was just feeling, so Amped and so ready to see them live and and and see how big a sound this is gonna be.
Joey Glover [00:14:18]:
And they have this huge fake television screen, didn't they? And and the place they start with a song called here to stay, and there's this this open riff. And you hear the cymbals crashing, and the screen drops. And he just starts head banging, and I just lost my shit. I just went Ape. I just I mean, my forehead was touching my knees. My hair was flinging back. It was throwing people around, and it just erupted. And I think in that moment, you were like, What the fuck? That was me just Hey.
Joey Glover [00:14:52]:
It wasn't it
James Glover [00:14:53]:
wasn't just me, though. It wasn't just me. Do you remember? The, the the parents with those young Young kids. Because what? You were 18, so I was, what, 21, 22, and, 18, 19. I was, like, 21, 22. And, those young kids, they can only have been, like, I don't know, 11 or 12, and they'd obviously been there early. They were obviously at the with their moms, then that goes off, and they're like,
Joey Glover [00:15:20]:
oh, my life is over. No. Like, Pushing away from each other
James Glover [00:15:25]:
to create a space for them to escape.
Joey Glover [00:15:27]:
Yeah. Yeah. Where in my head, I don't even remember children. I remember you making a space. I thought, oh, I can dance in that space. All these kids. Yeah. By the way, remember the security came over and told me to calm down, and they were like, Well, now this is a rock band.
James Glover [00:15:41]:
The irony of that the irony of that, Joe, is, when the first pit formed, right, we were right on the edge of it, And you were holding my arm. You are linking in my arm before this all started. Right? You're like, don't let go. Don't let go because it's all gonna move. It's all gonna move. So stay stay on stay on stay connected, and then the pit Started to form and we were at the edge. And you go, don't go in there. Don't go in there.
James Glover [00:16:02]:
It's gonna be, oh my god. It'll be insane. Don't go in there. Next thing I know, You are in the center of it, head banging, waiting for the music to drop, and then the music drops and you disappeared Because everybody jumped on top of you. I'm like, well, that's it. He's dead.
Joey Glover [00:16:18]:
This is the moment he died. That was that was one of how many times did we end up doing that? Because This all snowballed. We went to Download Festival, didn't we? And we, when we, you know, we saw the likes of Metallica when they've been in Harding for a long time. We saw them do a surprise gig. You know, we ripped up in in in many a pit. Yeah. Many a pit level.
James Glover [00:16:39]:
Yeah. Yeah. Many a pit. But I guess the, The thing the thing for me that feels really important here, you know, as ever in in all of these podcasts, we're asking people to really share their experiences of of of where and how they find meaning and the things that are really significant to them that they wanna make contributions to and the journey and understanding all of that. And and we talk about 3 things. We talk about how people have uncovered this sense of of purpose, how people kind of understand it, and and how they unleash it in in leaps of faith. And this, for me, feels like a really important part of your kind of discovery of self, this kind of journey to connecting the dots in in who you are. And you mentioned earlier on about you never really understand the significance of things until after they're after they're completed.
James Glover [00:17:26]:
Like, when you look back, How do you make sense of the importance of that period of time for you?
Joey Glover [00:17:38]:
I guess it it was a lot of things. And it when you you know? You know, married now, 2 children, and club rapidly approaching 40, and life is very different now to how it was Back when you're a teenager or or heading towards your twenties and everything is so real and big in your life because that's all you know at that point in your life. And, I mean, for me, it it was The form of transportation for me to, experience my adolescence, puberty, Being a teenager, young adulthood, it was a thing that held my hand, and and walked me through it. You know? I I've I've you know, We have a great family. We have great parents. We're really close. I I always had somebody that I could talk to. I always sort of felt supported.
Joey Glover [00:18:38]:
But, equally, you know, mentally, at that age, you start fighting your own little battles, and and they're yours. And, Music for me was a way of being able to chew on it, I guess. Hearing somebody else's Battle with things made me feel less alone in them, and for me, full of sorrow. I don't I don't regret it. It's I mean, it's a daft tattoo, but, you know, you come out the back end of that. And I thought, well, I I lived that. We did that. We did lots of things.
Joey Glover [00:19:12]:
And you mentioned at the beginning, You know, eventually, that turned into Blood Divided. And, the band, we you know, we played for 8 years, and we played all up and down the country. And We played hundreds of shows, really, and I got to experience much of that feeling on stage. And, Yeah. You know, full of sorrows, just this this way that propelled me onto this next bit, I guess. That was That was, that was I love it.
James Glover [00:19:44]:
I love it.
Joey Glover [00:19:45]:
I love it. I love it.
James Glover [00:19:45]:
I love it. Thank you. So If we if we kinda stay with this, this this this kind of moment of, or these moments of discovery, when you think and look back over your journey, are there other things that really stand out for you that have shaped who you are today? I mean, that's a ridiculously big question. Yeah. And
Joey Glover [00:20:05]:
and if and if we'd done this question, if you hadn't mentioned I have a ridiculous tattoo in the beginning, I don't think I would have discussed My musical influence has been a pivotal point in my life, and it so clearly is. Yeah. But
James Glover [00:20:22]:
So what would you what where would you have started if I hadn't have taken this down that rabbit hole?
Joey Glover [00:20:28]:
I mean, it it would have ultimately taken us to to the music and and being in the band and performing. But I I mean, you're asking for crossroads in my life. You're asking for these these defining points where, you know, I could have gone a certain way and and didn't. And I think that that you share similar ones with everybody. Everybody finishes or if, Many people finished school and have an opportunity to go on do 6, 4 more college. And, I mean, You're very blessed to have an incredible group of friends, a really good group of core friends who I'm very fortunate to to also share in that friendship group and and call them good friends of my own. And, I too had a good group of friends growing up, and then, You know, secondary school and hand in hand with the heavy music and everything else, my friendship group was sort of ruptured, and it broke down and and Whereas a lot of them all stayed together and went into 6th form and then went on and and stayed locally or whatever else. I guess my first real splinter point was that I decided to go to college, and I was the only person to do it.
Joey Glover [00:21:39]:
Like, I think almost everybody else just went just He didn't leave school. He just went to 6th form, and I didn't. I I bounced. And I am out. See you later. And that was, like, a big sense of independence. You know? I had to get 2 buses to get to college, so I went to college very little. Because I had to get a bus into the city center, and there's loads of cool stuff to do in the city center before you get to actually get to college.
Joey Glover [00:22:05]:
If you had a, you know, a lecture So really early in the morning, that is a lot of work. That is you have to get up really early to get them buses. And it also turned out that there was, Lot of these, like, focus group companies that would be operating near the bus center in in, not hotel's there. So I'd get off the bus and wait for a guy with a flyer. Be like, earn yourself 20 quid wearing Levi jeans all morning. And I'm like, yep. That's me. As you know? And we'd go in we'd go in just, like, watch something or or try something on or just give our feedback about a product that's coming out.
Joey Glover [00:22:39]:
K. Give him 20 quid. Go to the movies. Grab some lunch. Get back on the bus. Go home. How was school, son? Oh, it was great.
James Glover [00:22:49]:
Well, I think I think, this, for me, is, significant because of what What that experience then uncovered or it that it allowed you to focus on, which is, you know, of my earliest memories, You wanted to be like dad. And, I remember you like putting on shirts when you were really little because you wanted to be like dad. And I I couldn't think of anything worse than wearing, Like, wearing a shirt. And the irony of making the choice to go to college and then not really going to college And at college, and the the the kind of the the what's the word I'm looking for? The, the moment of awakening, which was mom and dad Realizing that you hadn't been going, and you weren't getting it yet.
Joey Glover [00:23:35]:
For education,
James Glover [00:23:39]:
Which as an older sibling was a total joy to see the, the Of
Joey Glover [00:23:42]:
course, it was. I was always hoping that Rebecca would fall off, and she never did.
James Glover [00:23:46]:
Go through the blender that way and maybe we'll come back to that in a second, but what did that ultimately lead to that led to you working with dad, which
Joey Glover [00:23:53]:
was a great I mean, it it permission in
James Glover [00:23:54]:
the first
Joey Glover [00:23:55]:
Nepotism's a, A a double edged sword, isn't it? You know? I I very much yeah. You have you bang on there. I all that is that is such I mean, you should get him on this show. I mean, that's that's the better that's the better discussion. I mean, wow. What a what a life. What a tale to tell. And, yeah, I think, from the early stage, he just always seemed so cool.
Joey Glover [00:24:22]:
He always he always drove a cool car, and he always looked good. And I don't know what he did. I don't have a clue what he did, but I just knew that he put a shirt on, and he had a briefcase. And it was important. And I thought, I could be important. I could carry a briefcase. That sounds great. Let's do this.
Joey Glover [00:24:40]:
And so and and, like, and computers, I guess, because I, you know, I I have a huge, Huge love of of technology. And, you know, we were a Mac family from, you know, the the mid to late eighties all to the nineties when They were not cool, and nobody else no more than we even had computers at home. And, you know, we had Macs we had a Mac classic and Mac SE 30 in our living room, and we'd get up really early and play Chuck Yeager's on it and Harry Jump Jet and whatnot. Yes. So I I guess I I went to college, and I studied business. I had no idea what I wanted to do. I just knew that I wanted to be dad. Dad was in business.
Joey Glover [00:25:20]:
I'll study business. Right? I mean, what a whatever that was. So I I did that for 2 years. I studied business. That didn't go particularly well. I passed as far as my CV is concerned, right, with distinction, Again, as far as my CV is concerned. But very much came home, and and dad, you know, somewhat in his disappointment, I guess, threw a book at me and said, Learn that you got a job on Monday, and you you throw a book at me for, for an application called FileMaker.
James Glover [00:25:52]:
I was gonna say it wasn't a metaphorical book. It was
Joey Glover [00:25:54]:
it was a wish book you called home buddy thing was. He has no insight back then. You know, printed about this thick. He hit me with this book and and told me to learn it and that they'll be working it for me. And, You know, that's 18 years old, and I'm I'm 39 now, and I'd I still professionally work in the Within FileMaker. You know? He he threw this book at me, and, I lent into it, and I I learned it, enjoyed it. I had a bit of a a bit of a, Yeah. At 18, I started working for dad.
James Glover [00:26:26]:
Yeah. The the, the the moment of the kind of the book throwing, I I remember the kind of the conversation as it was going down over the kitchen table and going, wow. This is, yeah, this is this is a big one. Like, as much as I might enjoy the, You get in trouble, like, periodically. This feels a bit epic.
Joey Glover [00:26:45]:
Yeah. It was always b around that table, wasn't it? Wasn't it? I never remember your epic All Rebecca's epic conversation.
James Glover [00:26:53]:
So so yeah. Well, like, talk to talk to me about the middle child experience. K. Like, let's let's let's put that on the table because,
Joey Glover [00:27:02]:
Motoya Yeah. I think that's there's a book in there somewhere. I think there
James Glover [00:27:07]:
have been many books written.
Joey Glover [00:27:08]:
There's been, you know, watch your watch your my story, though. No. That's not that. Because we've come across, like, some sort of adolescent twat.
James Glover [00:27:23]:
Well, I think that's really unfair to to you and the journey that you've been on, and also, like, part of the reason 1st, investing in doing these podcasts is bringing real people and real stories and the the kind of the journeys that we've all been on to try and figure out Who we are and what's important to us. And, you know, our our realities and our environments shape Who we are. I think there's a a really great bit of research that that actually was showing that 75% of our behavior is influenced by the environment that we find ourself within. So, you know, you you in the middle of all of that and your experience of all of that how that shaped you was was similar but different to me in the same way it was similar diff but different to Rebecca, and and we we really talked about, You know, where and how we find meaning. And there are some there are some really significant overlaps for both of us, but, actually, It also plays out really, really differently in terms of how we manage the expectation of others positively and negatively. No. Rebecca, you know, talked about wanting to wanting to wants to absolutely nail things. Like, perfectionism is, You know, a real challenge for her.
James Glover [00:28:39]:
For me, I don't suffer from imperfectionism at all. I'm quite happy to go, well, that feels like my best effort, or that feels good enough. Yet, living up to the expectations of others or not, or not disappointing the perceived of others. That's massive for me. So it's been really interesting to kind of think about how those environments have shaped us differently, although the environment was the same, and it was one of abundant love.
Joey Glover [00:29:09]:
Yeah. Well, I mean, we certainly grew up in a household where It it was always told us that, that a degree wasn't seen as being some great achievement. It was seen as, baseline education qualification for your future. So it was a kind of expected. I I I certainly felt That it was expected of us. You know? Mhmm. I always felt supported in whatever we chose would have chosen to have done, but Perhaps that was just the parental prod that you needed to be like, no. You gotta get your GCC so you can get your a levels.
Joey Glover [00:29:42]:
You gotta get your a levels so you can get into you gotta go to university, so you got a degree. You've got a degree. You you know, you then on you got your foot in the door getting Perhaps a a half decent job. And I knew that perhaps, well, actually, I certainly remember. I was I was I was in college, and, we were doing our UCaaS forms for for uni. And I just had no idea. None of it excited me. And I'd and I'd but it was in back of my head, it was just like I had to put somewhere.
Joey Glover [00:30:13]:
I had to do something. I had to go somewhere. And me and you spoke, and you were like, The worst thing you can do is just go to university and get a degree due to or, you know, not knowing what it is you want. Because if you are not driven or inspired to study a subject, you're just not gonna you're not gonna get anything from it, and you're gonna find yourself doing 3 years somewhere that you don't wanna be, a lot of time, a lot of effort, a lot of money, And you're not gonna pull out a bit what you what you hoped to have done. I I mean, you probably phrase it much better than that, but So that was me. I was like, well, well, I'm out then. You know?
James Glover [00:30:52]:
Yeah. I I'm not being funny, Joey. That almost feels like you've just summarized my Actual lived experience of university, so I'm not sure it would have been much more articulate. It would probably
Joey Glover [00:31:01]:
just be like You'll end up with 400 VHS tapes Just as the advent of the DVD cut Yeah.
James Glover [00:31:08]:
Which which is still in mom and dad's lock, by the
Joey Glover [00:31:10]:
way. Yeah. Yeah. So I so that was and then but, you know, and a gap year wasn't something that the working class did as far as I. You know? So I wasn't looking for a gap year, and that was I made that choice. You know, I'm not going to university, but that wasn't much of a choice In a sense that when I got home and and announced that to to our folks, it was, right then, rent's rent's due on a Monday. Yeah. And then boff, you're paying for paying my bills, and suddenly was very independent almost overnight.
Joey Glover [00:31:43]:
You know? Son, as long as you, you know, you are living under our roof and you are in education, you would be taken care of. But at the moment, you are not in education or Deem yourself an adult, and you'll, behave accordingly. And I'll pay you away. Yeah. I mean, it it you know, it wasn't super harsh, but it was enough to be me be bitter about it 20 something years later. Hello? Jimbo and Becky don't pay for that phone. Still.
James Glover [00:32:17]:
Okay. I think the bitterness is like Hey.
Joey Glover [00:32:19]:
You asked. You went there. Middle middle child syndrome, you asked the question. Yeah.
James Glover [00:32:26]:
Well, I guess in that in that regard, there were just some very different, experiences. Like, the pathways at that point in time were were We're we're where we really all started to kind of diverge. You know, you've described moments where there were real leaps of faith on on your part, And I'm I'm wondering actually if there were other moments of kind of almost courage in the choices that you made Because of the life that you wanted to lead going forward. Snow and those kind of almost these decisions where you felt like you were going into the unknown, but there was kind of There was a part of you. There was an intuition. There was a a kind of a faith that it it's gonna be important to go and make that choice for yourself.
Joey Glover [00:33:09]:
Yeah. So I I think you I'd I'd started working for dad, and I was, He'd throw me a few clients or, like, we'd we'd gotten a few clients, and I'd started writing these these these software solutions for these for these people. And They've been they've been really excited by by what I've done for them. And, in certain instances, they've been big hits, and they, like, replace the need for people, and I had always impacts with these companies I sort of that I go into and work with, develop systems 4 and then come away from. And, we were working dad with dad. We We were a part of, like, a a northern contingent. The the main company back then was was down in Cambridge, and so I only really sat and worked with Just a few of us up here up there in in Nottingham. Yeah.
Joey Glover [00:34:03]:
And so I very much got used to this Pattern of, clients will get in touch. I would go in. I would sit with them. I would learn their needs, how they operate as a company. I would then go away, and I would come back with a pitch as to what I can write that could sort of meet their needs. And I always just had absolute creative Freedom with all of it. And I like that. It was good.
Joey Glover [00:34:30]:
I mean, I'm not particularly great at being told what to do, and I I I I have a big thing about respect. I I I'm I'm all for respect respect and loyalty. I and I think, I think they're key cornerstones, for me. So the idea of having a boss, I guess, was difficult, and it was alright because it was dad. Yeah. Lots of it. Yeah. Yeah.
Joey Glover [00:35:03]:
Exactly. And he very much did, you know, run things like a business at home at times. So so working for him was was was fine, and that's how we operated. And then, anyway, dad then Sold the company, and the stuff that I was doing for him was very separate to what that company actually did. So when the company was sold, that didn't really sell what I did with the company. So, you know, things were There's a lot happening then. I'd found myself spending a lot of time caring For our grandmother, in her failing health, work because the company was being sold, there wasn't a great Pushed for getting clients in, so I was mainly in a support role of clients already existed. That wasn't filling my time.
Joey Glover [00:35:58]:
So a dad has sat me down going, right, I think you need to perhaps look at getting other work. But and I'm, like, in my twenties, you know, and I have long ginger hair, and I'm trying to grow a beard at this point, and, well, my nails are all black, and I'm moody, and I'm, and I I just wanna get out of, bang my head, and have a great time. So I was trying to work out a way of, like, okay. Well, how can I how can I work, support myself, and really become a rock star because that's that's all I wanted to do? Yeah. You know? Yeah. And so when the company sold, I just went, Oh, I'll just have all of these clients, and then, they can just pay me directly. And turns out, you know, being paid a salary compared to being paid what they were paying the company was Well, it's I could've been a lot more money for a long time, so you just that's just throwing me out in whatever he paid his I mean, I wouldn't call it Slave labor. Yeah.
Joey Glover [00:36:47]:
Exactly. Yeah. But, you know, nepotism is a machine came off. Yeah. That was it. So I, locked a few of them down some support contracts, and I soon realized I'd actually have to work very hard to earn a lot more money than I'd ever earn. And and that made a lot of sense to me. I just kinda felt like, well, I'm I didn't have a drive in me to create a company.
Joey Glover [00:37:08]:
I wasn't looking to, develop a product or deliver a a service that had legs. I wasn't looking to I wasn't looking to grow a company. I was just looking to do good work The least number of hours for the most amount of money so that I could do other stuff, outside of that. And I think that's that's what I did. And so I I I created my own company, Off the back of these core clients, and, you know, I'm good at it. I'm good at it. And when I and I write something, and it all it take is for a client that client a customer of that client to come in and go, oh, this is well, so this should do it all through. And then they'd be like, oh, yeah.
Joey Glover [00:37:58]:
We work with a guy called Joe Glover, and he does this. And And then I'll get a phone call, and then I'll be doing something for that guy. And and that was enough, and I could just pick it up and put it down wherever I wanted. And,
James Glover [00:38:08]:
I think it's really interesting that you you talked about, Your intention to do all of this was to fund, you know, your future stardom as a as a rock as a rock star? And and, actually, how did you feel most of the time? It was caring for our grandmother. And I think this is One of the many beautiful paradoxes that make you who you are, actually, Joe, is you created the opportunity for freedom and space. And what did you invest? And what did you fill that space with actually caring for a member of the family?
Joey Glover [00:38:43]:
Nan's, yeah, is is incredible. Just an incredible woman. Yeah. And we were very close, I guess. I was I was able to take her home. To begin with, it was just a case of, like, we would run her home when she'd come over the weekends, and then, she'd had she'd had a like everybody else, their health was failing. And Before I knew it, it wasn't a case of just taking her home the weekends. It was, I'll pop in in the morning, see if she's alright.
Joey Glover [00:39:07]:
I can go see her at lunch, and then go and see her in the evening, and then Spending more and more just 1 on 1 time with her and, hearing her stories, and then Seeing her humanity, I guess, the older she got, and she needs somebody to take her to the hospital. And and then that'd be me. I'll be quite happy to go do it. And then the adventures that we'd have because, you know, she she wants an epileptic fit Well, I went to a cataract appointment, but I didn't even know she had epilepsy. I've been caring caring for for ages, and then they're like, I'm sat with her, and then doctors then go, so do you have epilepsy? You know? And I'm like, No. She's all good. Then they start flashing lights in her eyes, and then and she'd been she'd been taking these suppressant drugs for 50 years. So it wasn't like she started having a fit.
Joey Glover [00:40:02]:
She regressed. She she regressed and just forgot how to speak English. And was, like, speaking only Maltese, and She thought she was a young girl, and and it just wigged me out. And and And then but, you know, see seeing it was definitely this this moment where you I wasn't her grandson anymore. She wasn't in this position of or she wasn't an authoritative parental figure. She was under my care, and, you know, I love her to pieces. I wanted to be that guy, and, you know, Ask a lot of you when you're in your early twenties, and and you're helping your grandmother on and off the toilet and getting her pajamas on and getting her dressed to clean their teeth. Well, sorting her dentures out.
Joey Glover [00:40:50]:
You know? And then those nights where you drop her off, and she'd be sad and upset because she was lonely and and Afraid and and didn't wanna go to sleep on her own. See, you know, you you just sit in a reading chair and put her to bed and Wait for her to fall asleep and then sneak out and and do that over and over and over again. And and it it was It's hard, but you create this brilliant relationship with her and, and then ultimately, you know, she went into palliative care and Just being with her all day, every day.
James Glover [00:41:26]:
Yeah. And what you know, again, I think you used that language really beautifully of, like, chapters, and being able to make sense of things after the fact. Like, when you look when you reflect back on that period of time now after the fact, you know, what How what kind of impact did that have on who you are now?
Joey Glover [00:41:46]:
We're a loving family. I think I'm a a compassionate and and nice guy. It fueled a bitterness. When she when when she died, she was a devout Roman Catholic. And this this is a tangent and maybe not a subject for for this discussion, but I certainly have an issue with with her faith, and and where I think how I think that failed her. And I felt that she deserved more and deserved better from not from her understanding of her faith because That was just pure love. That was pure faith. But from what and her her actual faith, her church, Her religious leaders, people that were meant to be there for her, I think that part of her faith absolutely failed her.
Joey Glover [00:42:43]:
Yeah. And, I left on the taste of my mouth. I got
James Glover [00:42:46]:
That sense of, Like, perceived community and belonging that actually in the moments of real vulnerability didn't show up.
Joey Glover [00:42:53]:
Sort of shit. Yeah. Yep. So, yeah. So whatever. So yeah. Yeah. I don't know, you know, what to It it was, you know, you come out the back of it, and That's missing from your life.
Joey Glover [00:43:13]:
She's no longer a part of that part of your life. I still worked. I I still performed in the band. You know, you just aim in a different direction, and you suddenly realize that the lyrics you're writing, are suddenly more influenced by That of Catholicism and and whatnot. And that's how you and I guess that's how you do yeah. You grieve. I guess that's how I I dealt with it. I would,
James Glover [00:43:38]:
And and, yeah, again, Joe, you know, you make that point of when I thought about this conversation, I didn't think music was gonna come up at all. And, yeah, again, here it here it makes another appearance, actually, in Being able to navigate another really significant moment or turning point that the the kind of the connection to it and the expression through it was was different.
Joey Glover [00:43:58]:
Yeah.
James Glover [00:44:00]:
That's kinda cool. We're connecting the dots in the core as well as as well as that, You know, the the kind of cornerstones that you describe of of respect and and loyalty. Like, I'm sat here watching you struggling for words to describe the impact to that moment. And, actually, there's a part of it which is you just really expressing those cornerstones or really even Not necessarily laying the foundation, but firming the foundation of those cornerstones, in in terms of who you are. This I heard a really great Story of, of of John Lewis, you know, the man that founded John Lewis and and and partners and waitrose, etcetera, and he had what what they call a, a founding idea. And it's almost like that kind of personal sense of values or the threads that are really have shaped who we are and are really significant. And that, actually, as you evolve through your life, A sense of purpose or however you make sense of a sense of purpose evolves with your experiences, but there are just some foundational ideas that Hold in place who you are and where you find meaning. So let's let's pivot.
James Glover [00:45:11]:
Let's talk about where you're at now and talk about the kind of the future. You know, what are what are some of the things that, feel most meaningful you to to you right now?
Joey Glover [00:45:22]:
Well, life is very different now, isn't it? I mean, I think, you you you say goodbye to your twenties, and suddenly you try and Drag your legs through your thirties still thinking you're in your twenties, trying to live that twenties life. First of all, my guess, because I think life for many gets very real, but it didn't overly for me. Much I'm sure to my my wife's annoyance, I we were together for 10 years before I asked her to marry me. And then Marriage and children also happened then very quickly, and it's all was all very, very fast. Yeah. We, As you mentioned at the beginning, I married a doctor. Well, it takes a long time to become a doctor, and I didn't I didn't fall in love with a doctor. I I I fell in love with them.
Joey Glover [00:46:15]:
They were the teenagers who, you know, Had a lip ring and liked heavy music, who was simply the most intelligent Human being that I'd ever spent any time with, who at 16 was better read than than most people in their fifties and, had this aspiration to, At that time, at least, she'd she'd wanted to get into English literature, and I think she'd had a she'd we'd gone through college, and she'd had an offer, From from one of the big universities to study English literature. Yeah. And then like myself, her her grandmother suddenly fell ill and was lost quickly. And She in this moment went, why do I she was she was a she was obviously aware of her own brilliance, But she pivoted then and went, well, forget this. I can do this. I can my my love of of of literature is my love of of literature. I don't need to study it. And she went into medicine.
Joey Glover [00:47:28]:
And, I, being in love with her, we started that journey. And that was perhaps the first chapter Post. Hey. Look. I'm 30, and, I got past 27 and didn't die. And, I tried really, really hard. Turns out I'm not
James Glover [00:47:45]:
a rock star.
Joey Glover [00:47:45]:
Yeah. Yeah. He won't do that. I was wounded. Absolutely. Just surviving. I know. Right? I'm like I and it's Funny, but I do detest it when rock stars quit drinking, quit the drugs.
Joey Glover [00:47:59]:
I'm like, no. You have one job, and that is to live life fast. Right? And then die. That's I mean, I know I know that's awful, but, I was happy to be a martyr. But I, you know, I didn't that that didn't happen. Instead, the the the band came the band came to an end when we lost one of our guitarists, and, I was very much in love, and I I followed Kate up north. We went up to we went up north, and, and I stayed with her through university. I worked.
Joey Glover [00:48:28]:
I was still then I was doing my own company, and that paid the bills and and whatnot. And it takes, like, a long time to become a doctor, so she was at universe. She had no Sciences, I think, at a level, so she had to do she said premed, and then she intercalated, and then she did a master's. Like, how long can 1 person remain A student. And then she quali like, you graduate, but, no, you haven't qualified yet. You got another 5 years to do that. And the entire time, it's It's it is hard work. It's not particularly well paid.
Joey Glover [00:48:56]:
And and I
James Glover [00:48:57]:
mean, to be fair to her, it wasn't like she was dragging her heels. They were also, you know, children In that time period?
Joey Glover [00:49:04]:
Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. This was granted. Okay.
James Glover [00:49:08]:
I'm I'm pulling your leg.
Joey Glover [00:49:10]:
Yeah. That's no excuse. It's it's 2023. He couldn't. He just kept He could do it all. He'd struck a child to a chest and you know? So urinary infection. Next. It's another urinary infection.
Joey Glover [00:49:22]:
Next. You know? Plus, you know, I watched all 22 seasons of ER while she was doing her degree. I've I felt Perfectly qualified to to to weigh in there with her training. Yeah. So We we began our life together. We we we got engaged, and, during that engagement, she became pregnant with our son. And, and I I think that was a that's another life kicker, isn't it? It's it was a I we hadn't Dad always said to, to me, and perhaps to you, he says, Joe, there's never a perfect there's never a good time to do anything. There's never a perfect time for anything to happen.
Joey Glover [00:50:08]:
Things will happen, and then you just lean into them. And, that was certainly the case with our, you know, when should I get married, or when should I get engaged, or when's the right time to become a parent, or should I become a parent? And dad was always like, no. Just do it, or it'll happen. If it happens, it happens. And it it turns out it just bloody happens. Just bloody happened twice, isn't it? So so we have we have,
James Glover [00:50:32]:
I love the fact that 2 of the brightest people I know, one of them literally being a qualified doctor still feel like pregnancy. It just happens.
Joey Glover [00:50:39]:
This happened to you, though. My my wife no. That's that's not. This is gonna go, isn't it? She's She's an incredible person. Hey. We had we we had Ezra, and I must admit, I was Ill prepared to become a parent, to become a father. I just took it all in my stride to a point where I just thought, yeah, I'll nail this. I can you know, I we had nephews.
Joey Glover [00:51:07]:
I'm good with my nephews. It turns out giving them back is very different to not Giving them back. Yeah. And, you know, and me and Kate are very much a team, and my wife is very much a strong she's a strong woman, a strong personality, and She was very much, we are a team. You'll do this equally. This is a 50 50% deal. They're obviously post birth like. And you did some really good backroom and Really good backroom.
Joey Glover [00:51:35]:
I don't know. I got fatigue in my shoulders. Yeah. Actually, I mean, during during pregnancy, she was on gas and air in a in a birthing pool, and, I'm there trying to support her best I can. And then She just kept doing more and more gas and air. And the more and more gas and air she took, the the less involved I suddenly start to feel in this birthing process. It's a bit where she was quite out of it. And I'm like, Yeah.
Joey Glover [00:51:57]:
I'm not happy with my level of involvement in
James Glover [00:51:59]:
this process.
Joey Glover [00:52:01]:
I'm like, midwife. If there's something there's Too much gas index? I think maybe she should give it a rest. And I was immediately shot with a look from my wife that was, you know, you can just leave. I don't need you here. We can make your involvement
James Glover [00:52:15]:
less Yes.
Joey Glover [00:52:15]:
Than you have right now. Yeah. Because if it's you or I spend the rest of my life with this canister Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna live my life at this canister. This canister takes me to places that you've never done, Ginger Boy. But Ed Ezra was born, and you become a father. And, suddenly, that journey begins, doesn't it? And, I think it's everything changes after that.
Joey Glover [00:52:42]:
It's it but it isn't the Del Boy moment. It's not the only fools and horses moment where you stand on the Ian, hold this infant and and look at the stars and tell this life that you've created that everything's gonna be alright, and you're always gonna be there for them? Because it's 5 past 1, and you've been awake for 14 hours, and you're covered in your wife's Fluid. Fluid. I know
James Glover [00:53:08]:
I get in there quick.
Joey Glover [00:53:09]:
Yeah. Good, man. I'm gonna edit that one out.
James Glover [00:53:12]:
I'll call you back.
Joey Glover [00:53:13]:
Yeah. And you and you're exhausted, and and this thing's screaming. And it's ugly. Like, its head was a big square. And I'm like, what? How? It's not it didn't come out of a air, but it's definitely got corners. And and and you just think, oh, the blood. And and then and then the next morning, they're like, Good job. Fuck off, and you have to go home, and then you don't sleep for 6 years.
Joey Glover [00:53:39]:
You know? My my son, my blessed son, turns 6 soon, and he only has just begun sleeping through the night. So if anybody out there is, You know, looking forward to welcoming their 1st child. Just count count your blessings. Count your blessings. Yes. And that's and I guess that's that certainly set the table for where I am in my life now. My my wife then became a mother, and she's first and foremost, and I think Perhaps true of of many parents, but they've become, first and foremost, their parent. And, So my wife's education or qualifications took a step back, because she absolutely wanted to be, she wanted to raise our kids.
Joey Glover [00:54:37]:
Well, that doesn't sound right because she We had Ezra, and she was a mother. She is a mother. And finished university, and we took our opportunity to to move, and we moved to North Wales. And our entire support network, our entire Lives were in the Midlands. And and whilst my my wife certainly Has its has its, has its its heritage is here in Wales. She is of strong Welsh stock. That's what you have
James Glover [00:55:16]:
to tell the locals because
Joey Glover [00:55:16]:
you live there. The locals. Yeah. That's that's what keeps me safe. Yeah. And I am a man of whales.
James Glover [00:55:22]:
Your bones don't become part of the walls.
Joey Glover [00:55:24]:
That's it. Yeah. Yeah. They're clearing the space for me. Yeah. We moved out here. I mean, we we moved out here with with with no parents to to help us with our, you know, brand new baby, And we did it we're on our own. And that's really hard when you grow up really close to your siblings and really close to your parents.
Joey Glover [00:55:44]:
And And as an adult, certainly feel like I have a fantastic relationship with my parents now as an adult, And and know how important my children are to my parents and for them not to be just down the road. Even now, it's still really it's the most difficult thing. We're only an hour we're only 3 hours west of you. But as a defining moment, it's that it's that opportunity to or it's that time to, to Step up, I guess. It's not a case of, you know, doing as little as possible for the most amount of money, or or it's not of the case of, Just getting by so that you can do another show or something. It it's, well, I I folded the company, and I went looking for a job. I I wanted To be employed, I wanted to put my feet down. I the secret to Living in such a beautiful part of the world is if you are fortunate enough to find a way to have the landscape look after you, then then then don't take that for granted.
Joey Glover [00:57:00]:
And, you know, Things have a have a way of working out, and I I really struggled to to find to find work doing what I do and Absolutely landed on my feet with a civil engineering consultancy here in North Wales that happened to use the same platform that I'd been developing at that point for almost 20 years. And I sort of walked in for an interview as an IT junior, just looking so that I could contribute towards bills, and and left with a with a role that wasn't otherwise offered, at the beginning of that. And Could hand on heart say that, you know, they've looked after me in a in a way that I have such a respect for that The I, you know, I've planted my feet. I'm, you know, I'm not out there looking for the bigger, better deal. I I feel supported, and a part of something. And
James Glover [00:57:57]:
Respect and loyalty. Respect and loyalty coming up again.
Joey Glover [00:58:00]:
So and and that's me. So as long as I feel Respected. I will remain loyal in all aspects of my life. In all aspects of my life.
James Glover [00:58:11]:
Yeah. Sure. And And talk to me about, talk to me about when you look forward from this point in time. So, you know, in this conversation, you've just been able to share with such Clarity and kind of with such richness moments that you know, it's not just been about connecting the dots in terms of, Of the moments they've shaped you, it's also been laden with meaning. Like, this concept of, of respect and loyalty has just kind of emerged multiple times. And, and I and I talk and I believe really deeply in leaps of faith. I believe in those moments of of of courage where you don't have the answers. You don't know what is necessarily to come, but there just there's a level of Emotional conviction to want to try something or go in a particular direction, and how many of those, just even in the time that we've been talking, how many of those have been true for you? And I don't even know how aware you are or have been of the That every single time you've gone, no.
James Glover [00:59:16]:
Actually, this is what I want, and this is where I'm going to go, and that that sense of, of courage and vulnerability that's associated with it. But when you look forward from this point, what are you most excited about?
Joey Glover [00:59:29]:
It sort of feels as though it's only now at 40 that I'm starting to feel like I have A sense of clarity and control over, how my life looks, in a way. Like yourself, I I once worked at McDonald's, Trent Bridge, and, I had a I had a a shift. I had I had a boss there. I can't unfortunately, his name is just I've forgotten it. Floyd was his first name. And he one of those life lessons that you always remember, and he sat me down because I'm pretty sure I'm the only person in existence ever to have been fired from McDonald's. And he he told me he said that in in life, Joe, you will you will You will play the car money game. Better car, more money.
Joey Glover [01:00:18]:
Better car, more money. Better car, more money, and and your life would And a a better car and a bigger house or more money will dictate your life. And, it it It rang true, but it wasn't at all for me. Yeah. I said, is it? I don't wanna you know, I I don't take this seriously at all. I cut you know? And, thus, I didn't wasn't there for very long, because there's only so many times you can go on an all nighter and then turn at work the next morning and have 4 hours Sleep in the stop room before you get caught. But but so at 4 at 40, the pieces are falling together. I have 2 beautiful children, and I have an in I have an incredible wife.
Joey Glover [01:01:05]:
And, I'm I'm just trying to create a life, just trying to live a life. And as much as This government makes that increasingly difficult. I just I just wanna be here, and I just wanna be present, and I just wish to spend More time on my own. Yeah. No. You don't mean that. That's why I watch my kids grow up, and I want to, I wanna see what the future brings me. I just I'm I'm excited for it.
Joey Glover [01:01:42]:
I'd I you mentioned you don't know what's to come, but you kind of I think as existence Begins begins to bend. I don't know how a better way of putting it. Life will take you down a path, And as you walk that path, others will present themselves, and you can choose to, Lean in their direction, I guess, and make new things happen for yourself. And this this sense of leap of faith is so true, and it's so difficult to get out of your Comfort zone. Just take those 1st steps. And I you you felt that I had done this time and time again, but, I it never felt like that at the time. They've they just felt like the the obvious choices in order to achieve what I was hoping to achieve at that point in time. And where that differs to now is I feel that, if I were to change my circumstances, it would be From a a decision to do something greatly different.
Joey Glover [01:02:54]:
And I don't feel that just because I'm 40 and my children are young and it's an important age that I I don't feel trapped in my current position. So I I couldn't tell you what the future brings, but, I'm excited to watch all of our children grow up, and
James Glover [01:03:18]:
The excitable soul for me is this idea of helping people truly understand where their sense of self worth comes from and, just to feel enough. And the way that you've just been able to describe and articulate that, actually, all you want right now is to be present And just to be in the life that you've got, I don't know if there's a better way of being able to describe that, which is there there is a sense of Peace and calm in the here and now. And, actually, I'm open to the universe. If things come in, then, you know, potentially lean into that. And if they don't, then that's okay too because, actually, what I'm focused on is the here and now. And I think for all of us, We can get caught up in what's next and, and chasing. And, the only thing that we can Actually, really invest in influence is is here and now. The old kung fu panda wisdom.
James Glover [01:04:14]:
Right? Master Oogway, the great wisdom that he provides. You know, the the past is history. The future is a mystery. But today is a gift. That's why they call it the present. And that's probably the right note for us to to to pause our conversation and for me to say a massive thank you for just Taking the time for being so open, for being so authentic, for being so just true to to who you are and the journey that you've been on. And, yeah, mega conversation. Thank you.
Joey Glover [01:04:47]:
Thanks, Jimbo. And I, I look forward to All those people listening to this in 4, 5 years when they've just listened to your latest episode and you've just sat down with the likes of, You know, whomever is leading our world then, and then going back to the early ones and going, oh, he has a brother. Yeah. You can find me on the socials.
James Glover [01:05:14]:
Yeah. Okay. Amazing.
Joey Glover [01:05:17]:
Alright. Cheers, Jinbu.
James Glover [01:05:19]:
Massive thank you for taking the time to listen to the excitable soul podcast. If you are interested in Uncovering, understanding, and unleashing your sense of purpose. Come and explore our purpose immersion programs at the excitable soul.com. We look forward to hearing from you there or being with you on our next episode. Have an incredible day.