Episode #2: Isabel Coman
Purposeful Impact: Aligning personal and professional aspirations for a meaningful life
Welcome back to our next episode of "The Excitable Soul Podcast!" Today, we have a truly inspiring guest joining us - Isabel Coman, the Director of Engineering and Asset Strategy at Transport for London, with over 20 years of industry experience. In this episode, Isabel takes us on a journey of purpose, impact, and self-discovery. Isabel candidly reflects on her own career and offers profound insights on finding meaning and unleashing potential, emphasizing the importance of being part of a team, both in the work environment and at home.
She believes that being part of something bigger than oneself and making a societal impact is deeply fulfilling. She also highlights the desire for independent and unique expression, which plays a significant role in her journey. Throughout the episode, Isabel and I delve into the importance of clear purpose and the power it holds in making decisions that align with our values. We discuss the role of self-reflection, growth, and acknowledging imperfection in our paths towards fulfilment. This conversation with Isabel Coman will leave you inspired and motivated to embrace purpose, unleash your potential, and find joy in all areas of life. So, get ready to dive deep into this conversation on purpose and contribution in our episode, Purposeful Impact: Aligning Personal and Professional Aspirations for a Meaningful Life Don't forget to hit that subscribe button, leave a review, and share your thoughts on this episode of "The Excitable Soul Podcast." Now, let's get started!
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James Glover [00:00:09]:
Alrighty. Welcome to the excitable soul podcast. Here, we are interested in all things purpose. We want to know where and how people find Meaning and connection in their lives. In every episode, we're gonna be hearing the real life stories of how people have uncovered, understood, and unleashed their own unique Sense of purpose. Our hope is that we can all learn from the stories and the journeys of our guests so that we can better find the sense of purpose in our own lives. I'm host, James Glover, performance coach and purpose nerd. I'm incredibly excited to be exploring these stories with you.
James Glover [00:00:44]:
So let's get going. Shall we? So my guest today, the wonderful Isabelle Komen, a lady who has been included in the top 100 most influential women in engineering from the Financial Times. Isobel is currently the director of engineering and asset strategy at TfL. She's got over 20 years of industry experience, is a chartered civil engineer specializing in railway infrastructure, and is also a fellow at the Institution of Civil Engineers. Isabel is passionate about the improvement of diversity and women in transport, And she aspires to have a highly visible leadership presence. Together with her extensive past project experience, Like St Pancras and Crossrail and h s two and many more, she's empowering and inspiring a generation of engineers. Not to mention having been managing director for in house services in the states at the houses of parliament. An incredible person and what I think is gonna be an important conversation for us.
James Glover [00:01:54]:
Isobel, welcome. Wonderful to have you here. I guess I'm really interested in what it feels like when you hear all of that played back Doing that way.
Isabel Coman [00:02:03]:
Thank you very much for having me, James. It's surprising. You know? I I I, I I've literally just worked very hard. I've gone to work, and and and it's been really important to me that I I do a good job. I've loved what I've done, and I suppose it just feels like if you bunch 25 years into a few sentences, Maybe that's how it sounds. So it sounds good, yeah, if I'm really honest. And and I am proud of it. But, Yeah.
Isabel Coman [00:02:42]:
It's, it's definitely it's not all I set out to do, particularly, and it's not It's aggregated. Sounds better than probably is.
James Glover [00:02:57]:
I think what what I really love here is just you kind of owning the awesomeness, but also acknowledging The reality of being able to create an introduction like that and kind of hold those 2 things. And, immediately really interested by that comment of, It's not what I set out to do. What do you feel are some of the moments that have shaped or kind of really underpinned, Who you are right now?
Isabel Coman [00:03:26]:
It's something I've thought about, and in our conversations, I guess I've thought about it Quite a lot and that is, you know, definitely for me, it goes back to being very young and being brought up in a family where, I suppose it it was very important that you went to work. You worked hard. That was a there was a certain, you know, a a real, Like, expectation, I guess, that you that you you did that. But also, one, the in in terms it was really important what you did, and that that there was a in that endeavor, you had to Sort of be able to say how you're contributing to society. And although that was I I can't remember that There ever be any explicit conversation on that. But it was it was definitely, you know, it was definitely The expectation. And I think that that was really hardwired into me. Yeah.
Isabel Coman [00:04:30]:
I I also, yeah, grew up in a family, I suppose, where the adults in it. Did it felt they were contributing, felt that's what they did. From from my perspective, it looked like that's what they were doing. So I was just really just very very influenced by them. And and then I think it yeah. For me, it's never been about making that as an active decision. I haven't particularly chosen between well, that I'm taking that decision because it contributes to society and this one doesn't. But I think it's, you know, it certainly has influenced me.
Isabel Coman [00:05:07]:
And I suppose it's may it also it also helps me judge whether what I'm doing is the right thing. So, you know, the conversation around purpose, and you and I again talked a lot about purpose, but, and I think I'm much clearer on what it is now. I'm much more able to sort of be explicit about But, you know, even as I've gone along, I think I guess that has always been a kind of inner judge for me, To know that I am. Yeah. It's not it it and it and and I've picked a career, I guess, where it's very easy to be able to say you're doing that. Yay. Hey.
James Glover [00:05:45]:
I guess there are definitely some tangible outcomes. Right? I built some stuff. I can see it. Yeah.
Isabel Coman [00:05:53]:
Yeah. You
James Glover [00:05:54]:
know what? There's a there's a couple of things already, Isabelle, that are just kinda piquing your curiosity. And One thing there you said, you know, you've had conversations now to create a clarity of purpose, and you feel much clearer now on what that is, and how you see it and understand it. And I and I want to come back to that in a moment, if that's okay. But before that, you talked about Almost a kind of an intuitive sense that was that was kind of within you that you used as a as a barometer For kinda decision making, am I on track, or do I feel this is the right thing for me? That's an incredibly Powerful, thing to be able to tap into. So what what did that feel like? What were those experiences that kind of created that almost unconscious intuitive experience within you?
Isabel Coman [00:06:46]:
Oh god. I think that's really hard. You know, I think I think genuinely because because I am in a, A profession where, you know, infrastructure really, at the end of the day, does serve society. I mean, not always in a in a good way. I think that just it means I don't think I've I don't think it's I don't think that's quite Been the the thing for me, I think it's, it's it's more been a check-in. Although, I could clearly have done I could have made decisions to go and To work in areas of infrastructure that maybe don't contribute in quite the same way or don't have a posit necessarily a positive impact. And I think, you know, in terms of The vast majority of what I've done has been around public transport. It's been e yeah.
Isabel Coman [00:07:36]:
Again, it's probably been a it's been an easy place to play. Right? I could've I could've been a yeah. I could've been in worked in in in medicine or, you know, in health or I could and there's lots of places where I probably could've Equally jumped into that pot and, you know, filled my boots with serving society. And I do feel a little bit like I've had it easy in that sense. And and I have to say just because I we have this joke, because my brother was clearly brought up in exactly the same with the same context as I was, and he says it to me. He says he doesn't work in something that's necessarily serving Society in the same way or contributing. And his view is, yeah, you do it all for me, Isabelle. I'm off the hook.
James Glover [00:08:21]:
I love that. That that kind of, that sense of meaning is still within him, but he's just kind of allocated responsibility for You gotta gotta love a sibling relationship, haven't you? But I I guess what, I guess what I almost kinda wanna circle back around to is that that That confirm that insight that you shared there of you know, there wasn't necessarily an explicit conversation about you know, It's what we're doing here is about making a contribution and making a contribution to society and making a contribution to that's making society better. How did you experience then that as a child? What were the things that you saw? What were the things that you kind of felt That that were were kind of beginning to lay the foundations, do you think?
Isabel Coman [00:09:07]:
My my my I had I had 3, a number of adults in in my life. I had my parents and my My, my aunt who were, you know, working, and they all they on a Sunday, we used to sit down all as a family. And, Yeah. My dad worked for the BBC. My mom worked for the British Library, and my aunt worked for Great Ormond Street. And, literally, We didn't talk about anything else. So on a literally, we'd see it on a Sunday, and we'd go from 1 to the other to the other. So it was just like There wasn't there well, I'm I'm I'm probably doing a real disservice to my parents.
Isabel Coman [00:09:44]:
You can sound like total workaholics. But, You know, so the conversation was about that. It was always about, you know and they are all, you know, they're all public sector organizations that are Making a contribution, whether that's, you know, to be children's health or, you know, You know, otherwise. But, so that I think it was just the backdrop. You know? It was so it was such a huge part of our lives.
James Glover [00:10:16]:
And, I can I'm I'm kind of imagining Sunday lunch at your house and, because you you just named 3 pretty significant institution British institutions there and the type of conversation that would go round the the kind of the the The dinner table almost at at Sunday lunch, and, and I guess the sense of almost kind of passion and commitment that they would have felt
Isabel Coman [00:10:38]:
to to that work.
James Glover [00:10:39]:
And you would probably just, Whether you understood the context or not, the kind of the the conviction that they would have been speaking with almost would have been infectious.
Isabel Coman [00:10:48]:
And I think I think the other thing was they were all way all of them in their own way, and they're very very very different individuals were all set on making things better. So they weren't they weren't Static in the roles that they did either. They were they were always, you know, there was always a sense of, I guess, check things they were trying to Change or things they felt could be better, that was the that was that that's all predominated within those conversations, so it's sort of I guess that's also part of me. It's like it's not only to go in and do something. You know, actually, you made me think because I am very much a changed person. I'm always thinking how We how could what if and how do we connect these ideas, and how can we move forward? And I think, you know, there was some of, you know, some of that I clearly got just from How I saw people behave around me. Yeah.
James Glover [00:11:38]:
Amazing. Amazing. And so when you connect the dots now then between Those kind of formative experiences, and as you said, you know, a greater level of clarity on on on purpose, and your sense of purpose. How do you kind of How do you sense of it now? You know, where does it become, you know, where does it become useful for you in the way in which you make choices and Decisions in the world now.
Isabel Coman [00:12:02]:
So I I think, I think that's part of what I think is I think that's still in I think it is part of my purp it's a clear part of my purpose. I would not be able there are there are absolutely Roles, opportunities, and, and and I guess decisions I could make that would take me away from that, and I could not. I there is I I don't think I could physically go and work hard every day doing something where I didn't feel it was contributing. You know, I I think that's so hardwired into me. That that's a that's yeah. I couldn't. I I don't know what what other pressures would come on me that would allow me to be able to do to do that. And maybe I'm in a very fortunate position actually that I get that choice.
Isabel Coman [00:12:53]:
But I think the things that probably weren't there in that sense, and that's about being a child and not being an adult and, you know, not having experienced, I spoke the working environment, really, was actually the, was It's the part about the people that come with that. So I think my other part within me is about being I love being sort of Part of a team, leading a team. Like, for me, it's where the people who contribute are equally important in that purpose, so I want to be in I don't want to I I suppose my purpose would not be to go and, you know, Make some enormous contribution on my own that would not fulfill, like, that would I would find that a very very lonely Play. So actually, the kind of the people, the team, and the kind of, I suppose, to me, just because by virtue of what I've done, and the The opportunity to kind of have such a mix of people be, like, doing something that's greater than they are individually, It's the other thing that's really, well, underpins me now, and I've I you know, there's no word of seeing that in my early years. But those are other things that have Really come to that. That's the other primary thing that comes to the fore. And, yeah, we've talked about this as well in the context of having, having young children as well. So for me, it plays out exactly the same.
Isabel Coman [00:14:20]:
That it's really important to me that, But, you know, oh my goodness. I'm setting them up to contribute to society. We'll see how that goes. But, but they you know, also, Yeah. Being in the mix with them is also how are we as a as a family and, you know, how does that all fit together? Yeah. I think it's it's no different. I think that's the other, really important thing for me is that the clarity has bought is that, actually, You don't have a for me, I certainly don't have a kind of purpose that is mutually exclusive in work from what it is at home. And, actually, my it's it's really it's really lovely to be in a place where, actually, it doesn't mean you combine work and home.
Isabel Coman [00:15:06]:
You don't have to overlap it and merge it all together. But actually to be in a place when your brain, there's not a conflict because you know there is something there are things that are really important to you, And that that can play out in every part of your life.
James Glover [00:15:24]:
Yeah. And you are you're really speaking to something that is so important and I think really misunderstood in the whole kind of conversation around purpose. Purpose is one of those words that everybody has kind of an understanding of to some degree. But, Really, what you're describing there is this idea that it it's it's a kind of a foundational understanding of what's really important, and you can express that in the different roles that you play. So, you know, the your sense of purpose shines through in the choices that you've Made around the work that you do, but your sense of purpose is also shining through in how you want to parent your children and therefore the experiences that you're creating for them. And often people, are almost overwhelmed by what does Purpose need to be, and what does it need to look like? And do I need to have a work purpose and a leadership purpose and a parenting purpose? And and then you kind of disengage with the whole process, don't you?
Isabel Coman [00:16:21]:
Exhausting. It's
James Glover [00:16:22]:
just too much. It's pretty much yeah. I'm pretty exhausted by this. And and even if I did clarify, live up to all of those different things? No. Thank you. And, actually, it's much simpler than that, much more foundational than that. There is just 1. And creating a an an understanding around it gives you the opportunity to to use it in these in these different ways.
James Glover [00:16:41]:
I think that's a really beautiful a beautiful point. Yeah. How does it so how does it how does it influence the way in which you kind of define What matters to you and define kind of a sense of meaning in your life now then because you've kind of created this clarity and And seeing this alignment, if you like, between the roles that you play and and and your sense of purpose.
Isabel Coman [00:17:06]:
It makes decision making so much cleaner. I think it makes things you wrestle with, you know, in your in your mind about What's the right thing to do? It it I mean, it doesn't make those all really easy, but it does it does yeah. Whether you choose the next job, whether it what is the role right for you? In very small things, and I think around, yeah, whether you're, you you say about how do you live up to purpose, How do you live up to having lots of different things you're aiming for? I think it actually means you can actually use it more as you can use it more as a barometer of yourself. And actually, you're not perfect. So that's your kind of underlying thing. That's your intention. Sometimes, you might be really bad at it, and you might actually do things That really weren't in that spirit, shall we say. And then you have to kind but it it kind of It helps you say that wasn't.
Isabel Coman [00:18:01]:
And actually, I'd I, yeah, I would change myself or do something different. So I think it helps I think it helps, yeah, both in Sort of decision big decision making, but also in that kind of reflecting on yourself as well.
James Glover [00:18:15]:
Yeah. And and, I'm really hearing, become the importance of almost kind of self kindness around around this, which is, You know, yes, I have a sent I have a sense of purpose, and I'm clear on what's important to me and the contribution that I wanna make. But also, I'm a human being, And, there might just be times where I get that wrong. And that's okay because this thing can help me learn.
Isabel Coman [00:18:39]:
Yeah.
James Glover [00:18:40]:
If I've If I've gone away from it unconsciously or even consciously maybe, I can go, alright. Well, that didn't feel the way that I was hoping it was going to. And it gives you a it gives you a source to reflect on, a frame to reflect on so that you can go, yeah. Alright. Maybe I won't do that again. Or, actually, if I do do it differently, maybe it should look like Should look like this. And so instead of a stick to beat yourself with, it's a it's a mechanism for self kindness.
Isabel Coman [00:19:04]:
Yeah. Yeah. Definitely.
James Glover [00:19:06]:
Where where has it helped you make some leaps of faith, Isabel? Can you give can you give us an example of, you know
Isabel Coman [00:19:12]:
Absolutely, moving out of what was a career in in contracting and and working on delivering really, really, sort of, Big infrastructure projects with with Costain, and then, moving to the House House of Parliament to run the estate there. And that was yeah. For me, that was it's I probably won't make a leap of faith in my career as big as that again. But, yeah, I was moving out of a I was moving out of a a work environment I've been in for over 20 years. I well, where I my So I knew what I was doing. I knew what I knew how that, sector functions, how I fitted into it. My network was really really strong, and, in fact, I Trained all you know, I could do that job, basically. And I moved to to the House of Commons, and And I suppose it it felt like jumping off a cliff.
Isabel Coman [00:20:15]:
I was I was literally going into an environment where I knew I didn't know a single person. I didn't know the I didn't know the ecosystem there, how it operated. I had never been client side, You know, in a in a public sector organization myself, and quite frankly, I was going to do a different job, you know. I was not running a big project anymore. I had Capital projects are part of my portfolio, but I was doing so much more than that in sort of running the estate. And yeah. I I literally took my little tool bag of, you know, well, I just thought it might head here And so I jumped off the cliff there. And it felt very brave.
Isabel Coman [00:21:01]:
It felt brave because I didn't know what I was. I had no real sense of what I was stepping into, other than I knew it would be different. Yeah. So that's that's probably my my, yeah, my bravest moment.
James Glover [00:21:17]:
And can you so, you know, even if we just kind of play back that experience, completely different sector. You'd been in one that you'd you'd known intimately and or ultimately trained for. It was a completely different jungle that you that you were going into. What the wildlife looked like? No idea. And it was a sense of Even even even the job itself was gonna be completely different, yet you felt almost a a clarity To say, yes. That is the thing. That's the thing I need to I need to go and do next. Where did where did that come from? What was the kind of the The internal experience that you were having when you wrestle with all of that, which sounds like, oh my god.
James Glover [00:22:00]:
There's craziness in making that decision. Yeah. Actually, It was also something that you felt like you wanted to be brave about doing. So what what helped and supported that?
Isabel Coman [00:22:10]:
I mean, some underlying things, you know, Going back to our early bit of the conversation, you know, for me, I was I was going into an organization that clearly has a, Yeah. It well, we it has a clear contribution to make to society. It's very It's key to how a whole a whole kind of democracy function. So that was that was quite easy. And it was gonna be a big team, so that was also quite, you know, in those sorts of senses, that's quite easy. It ticks those boxes. They were very excited about me. They really wanted me to join.
Isabel Coman [00:22:47]:
I think that was an important factor in that in that, Yeah. Decision making. We should yeah. I don't know if that's If that's, a good criteria. But you but it felt, you know, that that those are probably the The underlying things. And I felt like being a bit brave. I felt like testing myself. And I think, I suppose I'd got to a place where I knew I could do what I was doing.
Isabel Coman [00:23:18]:
I really knew it. You know, I was very comfortable in that, And this felt like it would really I'd really see. Right? How independent I could be, and I suppose actually something I haven't talked about yet, which is just in very much in me is, is my sort of, general Battle actually to be independent, I feel very that's very important, and, and, yeah, it kind of it fed that as well. I was gonna just be on you know, be out there. And that's not working on my own, it's just being responsible for myself.
James Glover [00:23:56]:
Yeah. And what's, what's really wonderful is the way that you kind of interweaving, you're interweaving these really, Significant insights on on where and where and how you find meaning. So there's something here about team and others. So whether that's your team at home, which is, you know, the kids as you've talked about, whether that's the team in the work environment, in the work context of other people, who am I working with? There's this sense of contribution to something that's much bigger than yourself and actually really framed around society. You know, what's the societal impact here? Because you can frame impact in service to others in lots of different ways, but that that was really critical. But then this other element here of Kind of almost defiant independence. I, I want to be me, and I kind of want to do this in my own way. And what's What's incredible in what I'm kind of hearing you talk about is it's not one of those things is not at the cost of the other.
James Glover [00:24:54]:
They're all they all interplay. They all interconnect to enable you to kind of feel this sense of fulfillment and satisfaction. And so I love the way you describe, Well, I wanted to be brave. There was the societal bit. There was the team bit. And, actually, there's an opportunity for me to go in there and do it my way because they wanted me. Yeah. That must have been, a a really incredible moment when you when you kind of made that choice to take that leap.
James Glover [00:25:24]:
How did how did that feel when you went, yeah, I'm going to go do that?
Isabel Coman [00:25:27]:
So I said, I'm gonna go do that, and then I but, actually, my mom reminded me the other day that I'd said to her, Oh my goodness. Jeez. Have I made a really bad decision? But then what wait. This was long after. It's kind of irreversible, But I hadn't actually quite got there yet. Had she of course, her really good advice to me was I clearly hadn't made a really bad decision. But, I so I suppose that that's that you know, I I did definitely, you know, in between, you know, between Finishing and starting, I did sort of question myself. So that's how it felt.
Isabel Coman [00:26:10]:
It felt it it it felt like to me like jumping off. It felt like jumping off a cliff, really.
James Glover [00:26:15]:
Yeah. And and and again, the, the kind of the very nature of, of uncertainty in the world that we live in right now and, The kind of the the sense of faith and belief in what might be possible because you have a clarity around a sense of purpose and what The opportunities that present themselves and and what what you're able to do because of that. I'm not sure that there are any other or many other levers that we can pull as human beings that give us the the the confidence, almost, to be able to go and do things
Isabel Coman [00:26:49]:
like that. Agree.
James Glover [00:26:50]:
So where do you think you know, what might be possible if you think about, you know, future future leaps of faith almost? Do do you ever let your mind do you ever let your mind go to those kind of places? I'd be really intrigued.
Isabel Coman [00:27:06]:
I suppose. No. At the moment, I'm guessing I'm not in that in that moment at the moment. But I have, you know, I have I have I have moved organization. Clearly, I'm at yeah. I I've I've I've, taken on Brilliant role, actually, in TfL. And I think, actually, you know, coming back to what helps you decide, you know, it was Being offered the role at TfL, I knew it was a brilliant job for me. I just knew, I knew it would sort of literally tick all my boxes.
Isabel Coman [00:27:46]:
And and and that, there is no disappointment in that. And that's kind of I I suppose yeah. But that has been it's not a leap of faith in the same way at all. It's a big leap though. It's a leap again Into an environment I don't I'd I'm not so familiar with, and where I don't have any network, where, you know, I suppose where there's quite an expectation on what I deliver. But that feel, I like yeah. Maybe there's something in that feeling. I quite like that.
Isabel Coman [00:28:21]:
I like that, you know, sort of, Having to be resourceful. I mean, it could be quite, d n you know, it can be quite exhausting, actually. And I don't think it's something, There's something exciting in it, but I'm not sure I'm not that wouldn't be a driver for me. I wouldn't say suddenly now feel like I always have to be in a position where I'm kind of really living on, Yeah. Little bit. Starting anew. I I I don't that doesn't necessarily But it's been it's been exciting doing that. It's quite fun doing it again.
Isabel Coman [00:28:57]:
I yeah.
James Glover [00:28:58]:
So what would what would be your, What would be your words of wisdom? What would be your words of advice for for people who are, Wrestling with this idea of of of purpose. And is it worth investing the time and energy in trying to Clarify a kind of a sense of purpose. What, yeah, what would you say to them given the journey that you've been on?
Isabel Coman [00:29:24]:
I mean, absolutely. For me, it has, I suppose, actually quite life changing Because it just makes everything so easier, so much easier. And it's not about, you know, okay, I I I'm guessing people might listen to what I've said and go, oh, my goodness. Like, really? With the contribution to society thing. Like yeah. But it doesn't have it does it it sounds got it. I'm actually a bit embarrassed. It sounds terrible.
Isabel Coman [00:29:54]:
It sounds really kind of egocentric, Like, I'm here with my superhero pants on and everything. But, but actually, it's just it genuinely for me, I think it's worth it's really worth investing in, and I don't think it's a quick thing either. And I think that's the thing, you know, you you've been a big, Such a huge, you know, influence on me actually being able to get there, you know, in in sort of, And and and it also had some underlying things that I sort of knew or intrinsically knew. I mean, it it took several years, really, to kind of really get there, really be clear in my own mind. And I think, But I think it's really worth that investment because it just makes, and it's very difficult to describe. It makes life easier. It just makes your decision made for me, and maybe it just was me. I was like, oh my goodness.
Isabel Coman [00:30:51]:
Should I do this? Should I do that? I don't know. Maybe this person Maybe that person may you know, I there's so much incoming decision making you have to do, and, actually, if you have That if you have what's important to you, and that's what we're really talking about underlying, and you're really really clear about it, it just helps that. And it and you can get things wrong in that too. And you could say, oh, well, that yeah. Like you say, you that really didn't contribute very well to that to what's important to me, But that's also fine.
James Glover [00:31:23]:
I I'm almost hearing a sense of of kind of peace. There's almost like a freedom.
Isabel Coman [00:31:29]:
It is freedom. Some of it is freedom. It's peace. I think there's never peace, not in my world. But there's definitely freedom. It is quite freeing, actually. And, you know, I even you know, I I I think it's actually really important. I think it's really grounding.
Isabel Coman [00:31:52]:
I think, I think it, Like you say, the world is a is a very fast changing place, you know. And I think for anyone now, sort of, you know, I think whatever, Yeah. As an adult, but whatever stage you're at in your career, or whatever else you're doing in life, you know, I think, The the external world is changing so fast, that actually the clearer you are about what's important to you, the better you're able to respond to that. Because you don't you you know, it that's really unpredictable. Right?
James Glover [00:32:31]:
Isabelle, I think I think just those words of wisdom are absolutely the place for us to to kinda pause this conversation. I think, Just the whistle stop tour that you have been able to take us on in in the last, you know, 35 minutes, but the Deep, deep sense of, of reflection and commitment to what's important to you and what that's enabled to you has kind of just shone through in this in this conversation. I really appreciate you taking the time to to be so open with us. And I have no doubt That the people that are gonna be listening and watching will will get so much from those experiences. And like you say, How to how to shortcut 25 years into, you know, the best parts of 35 minutes. I guess the benefit of that for us is is just your insight, and how we can all take something away from that. So thank you massively for being with us.
Isabel Coman [00:33:27]:
Thank you very much.
James Glover [00:33:29]:
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